Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

I’ve been building Echo (https://echo.tracerml.ai/), an experiment in making one AI system out of a pool of open-weight models rather than choosing a single model and using it for every task.

It started with a simple experiment. I took a group of models, including GLM-5.2, Kimi K2.7 and others, and ran them on the same evaluations. Then I measured what would happen if, for each problem, you somehow knew in advance which models would be useful and how their outputs should be combined.

That hypothetical system performed substantially better than any individual model in the pool. Of course, it is not something you can actually deploy because it relies on knowing which decisions were good after seeing the result. Echo is my attempt to recover some of that advantage without having that information in advance.

For each request, Echo decides how much computation to allocate, which models should participate, and how their work should be combined. Some prompts may only need a relatively small amount of inference, while others benefit from multiple models working on different parts of the problem.

One thing that surprised me while building it was how complementary the models are. A model that is clearly weaker overall can still be extremely useful on particular problems or as part of a combination.

On my first evaluation mix, Echo consistently performed better than the best individual model in its pool. It also reached roughly the same aggregate result as Fable, which I used as one of the stronger comparison systems, at around one third of the inference cost.

There are still some cases where Echo makes the wrong allocation or combination decision. I’m currently spending a lot of time understanding those failures, as well as testing whether the same approach holds up on coding and agentic tasks where measuring the quality of each decision becomes much harder.

I built a chat interface (echo.tracerml.ai) and an OpenAI-compatible API (https://echo.tracerml.ai/docs/api) so the system can be tested outside the evaluation setup.

Here is a short/high level video on how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJFJSvOdXhg

I wrote up the evaluation methodology, individual model results, costs and current limitations here: https://echo.tracerml.ai/eval

I would love for you to try it! Especially if you hit any weird failure cases or places where the allocation looks unintuitive.

76 points | by adam_rida 1 hour ago

15 comments

  • kamranjon 54 minutes ago
    No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, ai generated video, just a signup page with nothing else.

    Anyhow, this kinda reminds me of that quote about architecture: "We replaced our monolith with micro services so that every outage could be more like a murder mystery."

    • guessmyname 52 minutes ago
      > No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, […]

      The benchmarks are here → https://echo.tracerml.ai/eval/

      They are not good benchmarks but at least they exist.

      • seizethecheese 1 minute ago
        I've been working on a similar project and I can tell you that it's easy to replicate Fable results if you use saturated benchmark results. I wasted a huge amount of time trying to improve GPQA Diamond results above ~93% range with ensembling only to see Fable not improve from Opus at all. Eventually I found that the final questions are all problematic.
    • codekansas 19 minutes ago
      It's basically trying to replicate OpenRouter, which works pretty well and has a lot of nice features to abstract away any single provider, such as failover, metering, autoswitching, etc. It's actually a really smart infrastructure abstraction.

      I just wish this were solving an actual problem rather than being a fairly transparent attempt to say something approximating, "Hey VCs, OpenRouter just became a unicorn but I can basically vibe code it"

      Calling it "Fable-level" feels intellectually lazy / dishonest, but then again, what do you expect when there's so much money on the table.

    • j45 37 minutes ago
      It's easy enough to copy and paste in a prompt, no?

      Eval tests while giving general indicators might not be similar for each use case.

    • adam_rida 28 minutes ago
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  • yonatan8070 11 minutes ago
    I'm not an expert on this, but this sounds a lot like a larger-scale MoE (Mixture of Experts) type of architecture.

    As I understand it, in an MoE model, you essentially have hundreds of smaller sub-models ("experts") that are good at different tasks, and for every generated token, a single "master" model chooses which ones are most relevant to participate, and you only activate them.

    • janalsncm 8 minutes ago
      In MoE systems the routing decision is made per-token, not per prompt or task. It’s one of ML’s many confusing naming conventions.

      Even more confusingly, there are older pre-LLM MoE systems which ensemble and pool the predictions from multiple sub-components. For example in a random forest you could take the majority vote of the decision trees or the average of their numerical predictions.

  • bbstats 0 minutes ago
    M-o-MoE
  • jmaw 46 minutes ago
    I think approaches like this have potential. Only time will tell. This reminds me of the mixture of experts taken by deepseek r2 (I think it was r2, at least), but less specific models I guess.

    I have often wondered how tools like GHCP choose the best model for the job when set to "auto".

  • tj800x 51 minutes ago
    No single signin. Privacy policy allows training. No try it first without credit card. It's a good idea, but this looks premature.
  • Alifatisk 43 minutes ago
    This reminds me on OpenRouters report that combining multiple different models gave comparable performance to Fable 5. I think this approach has lots of potential. Maybe OpenAi was ahead of its time with GPT-5 (it being a router to different models rather than just being one new model)
    • seizethecheese 5 minutes ago
      You might be interested in a project that I'm working on, which is kind of like OpenRouter Fusion, but instead of waiting for all models to synthesize, we stream the best model immediately and background the rest. The background models then reconcile with an emoji reaction and optional reply. It gets similar results to Fusion and is a lot faster! There's a free version that leverages open weight models here: http://pellmell.ai.
  • bnjemian 24 minutes ago
    I don’t find the recent spate of blog posts and systems delegating and combining LLMs to get better performance particularly interesting. Especially given that anyone who’s taken an ML 101 course has learned about ensemble methods.

    While an LLM isn’t what you’d traditionally consider a weak learner, the theorems on learning systems clearly point to them being so in this context. The feigned surprise at combining them to yield better results seems disingenuous.

    Even so, the work to predict which models are best suited for which task, how to delegate, and how to combine their outputs is interesting, especially if you’re placing a cost minimization objective on it. That said, this isn’t too far off from what many AI labs are already doing.

    • abernard1 6 minutes ago
      The entirety of "agents" and tool calls is a process of combining LLMs to get better results. Is it the same LLM in many cases? Yes. But it doesn't have to be.

      It's the natural move that happened after people realized you couldn't throw away half a century of AI research.

      Most of these focus on costs. But it is simply the case that the one-shot output did not scale for harder problems on workflows.

  • jambalaya8 30 minutes ago
    Might want to rethink the name to avoid an Amazon issue.
  • wizche 27 minutes ago
    how does this differs from OpenRouter fusion?
    • cawingcrow 15 minutes ago
      how does this differs from Sakana Fugu?
      • adam_rida 0 minutes ago
        Fugu includes closed source models in its pool
  • codekansas 31 minutes ago
    Fable-level, yea, but can it run gstack?
  • fneddy 48 minutes ago
    That’s basically the same idea IBM advertises with Bob?
  • j45 36 minutes ago
    If you copy Perplexity, they let you have the first few rounds of chat for free to get you going before asking to sign up.
  • ototot 14 minutes ago
    Is this yet another Sakana Fugu / OpenRouter Fusion?
  • theneocorner 23 minutes ago
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