Why Can't You Pack a Bag? (2024)

(newyorker.com)

32 points | by prathamtharwani 5 days ago

15 comments

  • nayuki 1 hour ago
  • gensym 1 hour ago
    The advantages of packing light aren't always obvious[1] until you experience them, so you can pretty much tell someone's level of travel experience by how small their luggage is. I've yet to meet someone who packs more and more stuff based on past experience.

    As the article mentions, good fabrics (like merino wool) can go a long way.

    (1) Reliability and flexibility being foremost. Not having to worry about lost luggage. Itinerary changes are much easier when all your stuff is with you and can fit on your lap or under your seat. Then comes the comfort and speed. Being able to take the stairs or not blinking an eye at walking an extra half mile go a long way towards making travel enjoyable.

    • pc86 7 minutes ago
      I've been on both extremes - single carry-on (with no personal item, or a laptop in a bag solely to watch movies on the plane) for a two week vacation, and checked bag for a 3-day work trip. It depends entirely on context. Purpose of the trip, length of the trip, optionality with extending the trip, how locked in your itinerary is, all can play a role in whether it makes sense to pack a little, pack a lot, and whether you expect to use everything.

      I took a checked bag on my last < 1 week work trip and didn't use 2/3 of what I brought but I'd bring the exact same bag if I had to because you never know what might come up.

    • pgwhalen 52 minutes ago
      As someone raised as a light packer, I've come to the opposite conclusion a little: I'd prefer packing "medium" to have a lot of flexibility to be dressed well for whatever may come up. A small half-full duffel bag isn't that much better than a full one, so if I'm on a short trip I've found that I'll often appreciate having the extra options.

      That being said, I literally do not own a roller bag, and am quite happy taking the stairs.

    • popalchemist 1 hour ago
      For people without children, yes; with children, often, the opposite.
      • jjulius 1 hour ago
        That's just relative, no? Surely people with children pack more, but the concept is the same - you pack a lot the first time you travel with them, and then narrow it down the more you travel with them.

        (Said as a parent)

      • gensym 1 hour ago
        For me, it was having children that really forced me to learn to travel light. We lived in Chicago and going to the airport meant walking to the transit stop to get to the airport, so I needed a way to carry luggage (I did so on my back) for a mile while also being able to push a stroller.
      • coldtea 1 hour ago
        Same exact principles apply. You just add the children's stuff, taking care to pack those light too.
  • srean 1 hour ago
    Unless I have to travel to a destination with a drastically different weather or I have to stay longer than ten days, it usually takes me no more than 15 to 20 minutes to get packed.

    With my undiagnosed ADHD I usually start an hour or two before my airport cab.

    My problem is not what to pack or that I pack too many things but to actually begin the process of packing.

  • AlotOfReading 1 hour ago
    I really don't understand what people are putting in the 2-3 large suitcases I see them struggling to shove in overhead. For one, rolling luggage is usually a mistake for anyone who's not flight crew.

    I bring a week's worth of thin clothes that layer. If I need more, I'm either washing by hand or using a service. Basic toiletries, an e-reader, phone, keys, charger bricks, a notebook/pens, daypack. It fits into an underseat backpack with room to spare.

    This has scaled fine all the way up to multi-month scientific expeditions in remote locations. Sometimes I need to accommodate specialized equipment like formal clothes/shoes, camera bodies/lenses, excavation equipment, tent, water purification, sleeping pad/bag, etc, but that's solved through the magic of bringing a slightly larger bag.

    • coldtea 1 hour ago
      >For one, rolling luggage is usually a mistake for anyone who's not flight crew.

      Rolling luggage is amazing, especially that that goes into the overhead compartment.

      "I bring a week's worth of thin clothes that layer. If I need more, I'm either washing by hand or using a service. Basic toiletries, an e-reader, phone, keys, charger bricks, a notebook/pens, daypack. It fits into an underseat backpack with room to spare."

      That's if you don't need to take more or heavier clothes, formal clothes, an extra pair of shoes, if you're packing gifts, or extra gear taken space elsewhere (e.g. camera and lenses in your backpack), and not taking stuff like souvenirs and such back.

      >This has scaled fine all the way up to multi-month scientific expeditions in remote locations.

      If you slob it like a 19 year old backpacker, sure.

      • AlotOfReading 56 minutes ago
        I'm not sure what you're considering "heavier" clothes, but my layers work just fine to about -20C. It was a bit chilly the times it was <-40C, but I don't think that's what you meant?

        The comment covered special gear, so not really sure what you want me to add there. I use a slightly larger bag that fits in overhead.

        • rjrjrjrj 24 minutes ago
          Boots for -40 are practically a carry-on item just by themselves.
      • PaulDavisThe1st 1 hour ago
        > If you slob it like a 19 year old backpacker, sure.

        Had an interesting trip when I was 55. First 7 days: my niece's wedding, a cross-country + transatlantic trip away, with lots of occasions (or need, if you were so minded) for good looking semi-formal wear. Next 20 days: backpacking (like a 19 year old) for 280 miles across the Scottish Highlands.

    • davkan 19 minutes ago
      Recently I visited my parents and had to pack cycling gear, backpacking gear, wedding suit, on top of my daily clothes. I had two pairs of shoes in my luggage which alone takes up like a quarter of a carry-on. I filled a carry-on and a big checked luggage. For a week trip without significant activities it would just be a light carry-on.

      Also small rolling luggage is fine if you’ve got status with the airline. If you board in group 2 you will never be forced to gate check your bag. Just make sure it fits in the smaller RJ overheads and you’re good to go.

    • peezd 1 hour ago
      I've had this conversation a lot with my wife, as we have divergent philosophies.

      I'm an old Peace Corps hippie that then road warriored for a few years where I would do a 4 day work trip and limit myself to a bag I could fit under the seat on a plane. You have to be ruthless, rewear stuff that will be fine for multiple days, etc. You also learn what is non-negotiable to bring.

      My wife is a planner, so she builds for redundancies and tries to pack for every scenario. She targets to fill a roller bag and the biggest personal item tote she has. But I will also admit there's much more social pressure on women than men in terms of what makes up an outfit.

    • koreth1 1 hour ago
      > For one, rolling luggage is usually a mistake for anyone who's not flight crew.

      I used to travel with just a soft carry-on bag that converted into a backpack. It was great to just pick it up and go, and not have to worry about constantly extending and retracting the handle or bracing the bag so it wouldn't roll away on a hill.

      But around the age of 50, my back informed me in no uncertain terms that those days were behind me. Now I let the wheels on my luggage carry the weight.

    • nradov 1 hour ago
      No major commercial airline allows a passenger to put 3 large suitcases in the overhead bins: it's one carry-on bag in the bin plus a small personal item. If I'm going scuba diving, especially technical diving in a cold environment, then I need to fill my carry-on and personal item with the expensive or fragile dive gear plus check two large bags for the bulky dive gear plus whatever else I need for the trip.
      • AlotOfReading 48 minutes ago
        The description is a bit exaggerated, but I regularly see families with a large overhead suitcase + personal bag + secondary bag per person waiting at the carousel. I don't think many of them are diving in the places I go to, but who knows.
        • nradov 36 minutes ago
          You misinterpreted what you saw. I fly a lot and most airline gate agents are quite strict about enforcing carry-on bag limits. They frequently pull passengers out of the boarding line and force them to gate check extra carry-on bags. The only common exception is for medical equipment needed during the flight.
  • al_borland 1 hour ago
    I usually travel with one 19-22L bag (the same one Tynan, mentioned in the article uses… or used a decade ago). I ran across one of his videos when looking for a bag, and everyone was recommending the same Tom Bihn bag at the time.

    I found traveling light requires understanding and accepting 2 things:

    1. You will do laundry while on vacation, how much you pack determines how often laundry is done.

    2. Unless going to an uninhabited area, people live their whole life where you’re going. If you forget something, you can probably buy it at the destination. I almost always buy toiletries locally to avoid dealing with liquids and TSA. I’ve bought stuff a couple times, but it’s rare. I find that with 19L, I still over pack and have stuff I bring and don’t use.

    On an overnight trip, I only brought a plastic shopping bag with me. We were going by bus and would arrive late in the evening. The next day we’d be out and about all day, before meeting up at the bus in the evening to head home. I knew I didn’t want to be saddled with luggage, so I wore cloths that were on the verge of being thrown out, and brought a change of clothes and a phone charger in the grocery bag. The next day, the other people on the trip who brought multiple bags, laptops, coolers, etc for 1 night, were stuck sitting in one place watching their bags. I was able to roam free like a local. No regrets.

  • SoftTalker 1 hour ago
    > I had my worst-ever packing experience in the late nineties, when I was a teen-ager.

    Is hyphenating a word like teenager a New Yorker idiosyncracy? Or is that a "soft" hyphen that crept into the final article copy?

    On the topic of packing, my advice is to roll your clothes instead of folding them. Rolling avoids wrinkles and allows more space-filling options. That plus the general advice of packing just a few universally-appropriate items. If you really need something else you can always buy it locally and then discard it (or something else) when you pack for the return trip.

    • jaggederest 1 hour ago
      It's a New Yorker style manual thing, just like diaresis on reëducate for example [1]. I think it's sensible in this specific instance (and others like it generally) because it allows the user to disambiguate [I had my worst] [ever packing experience] from [I had my worst ever] [packing experience]. I'm not sure what other punctuation or style you'd use there to clarify that, besides letting the user figure it out from obvious context.

      The New Yorker has a variety of these kinds of somewhat-archaic patterns, and I actually really like them because a) I think it gives a bit more literary feel, like the MIT Tech Review that also uses them, and b) it makes the text accessible to a broader audience, people who might speak english as a second or fourth language and not natuarally scan that phrase without punctuation.

      [1] https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-...

      • SoftTalker 1 hour ago
        Actually my question was about teen-ager. Haven't seen that hyphenated since before e-mail stopped being hyphenated.

        Worst-ever does make sense in that usage.

        • jaggederest 19 minutes ago
          Yeah it's definitely New Yorker style manual, archaic but imo charming
    • OkayPhysicist 57 minutes ago
      Even better than rolling is a suit fold. I inherited one, and only got around to using it years later when I needed to fly in to a buddy's wedding with a suit. Ever since, it's my go-to piece of luggage. It's small enough to fit in a seat well in a pinch, it's light and portable enough to sling over your shoulder for a multi-leg public transit journey, and your clothes don't need any ironing to look immaculate when you get to your destination.
    • twentyfiveoh1 59 minutes ago
      I am usually only traveling with a carry-on and I use something called "ranger rolls". Roll them as densely as you can get them. try not to leave them that way outside of immediate travel. I like it precisely of your space filling comment. I can fit clothes into what was ordinarily dead space with any other method in any other bag or suit case.
    • mplanchard 1 hour ago
      Teen-ager and some other unusual hyphenations are New Yorker style, yes
  • freetime2 41 minutes ago
    Being able to pick light and travel with minimal belongings is a great skill to have. But on the other hand, if your itinerary looks like home -> car -> plane -> car -> hotel, then you can pretty much go nuts bringing big checked suitcases with as much junk as you think you might need. Just keep the essentials in a carry-on in case the airline loses a bag.
  • getfacl 1 hour ago
    Used to travel for work 3 weeks a month and worked with a group of folks who took pride in traveling light. I learned to never pack for more than 6 days. After 5 days either do the laundry or use the hotel laundry service.
    • SoftTalker 1 hour ago
      Hotel laundry service tends to be quite expensive, but many hotels have a coin-op (or maybe an app these days) laundry room where you can do your own. That's very handy for underwear, socks, and casual items.

      And some people for whatever reason think that everything you wear once needs to be washed before you can wear it again. Break out of that mindset. You can usually wear pants and shirts several times if they aren't sweaty and don't have food spills or something like that. Hang them up or fold them at night, maybe touch up with an iron if they are wrinkled.

      • davkan 26 minutes ago
        Also washing and especially drying is what causes the most wear to your clothes, unless you are performing manual labor in them.
      • bluedino 1 hour ago
        If it's a trip for work, who cares how much it costs.
        • SoftTalker 56 minutes ago
          I've never worked someplace that would reimburse laundry. Or maybe I never tried...
  • UnreachableCode 1 hour ago
    Pack what you will need, not what you might need. Anything you might need you can just buy.
    • lukan 1 hour ago
      Unless the shops are closed and it is surprisingly raining now and you did not bring that rain jacket/umbrella.
    • pimlottc 44 minutes ago
      Buying clothes at your destination doesn't always work out if you're not a standard size -- which may vary dramatically depending where you're going.
    • stronglikedan 1 hour ago
      Just leave some room in the bag to bring back anything you might buy so you don't have to ship it.
    • reg_dunlop 1 hour ago
      Exactly. Buy local. Support the local economy and blend in.
      • ausbah 1 hour ago
        if you’re visiting major cities and need basic clothing you’re probably shopping at the some of the same name brand outlets or lines
        • jerlam 1 hour ago
          But you will have a much better idea what to buy, when you have first-hand experience with the weather and are surrounded by locals who are adequately prepared.
    • badgersnake 1 hour ago
      Depends how remote your destination is.
  • mastermedo 1 hour ago
    For me, colder weather doesn't necessarily dictate warmer clothing, it dictates a faster pace or more inside activities.

    Another thing is getting used to and being comfortable with being cold and hot. Enjoying time in saunas and cold plunges made me pack even lighter than I already did.

  • crooked-v 2 hours ago
    From personal experience when I was younger: Spending a month traveling on European trains with a backpack will teach you a whole lot about what you actually need to pack, and what you will want to just leave behind and purchase again locally if you really turn out to need a given item.

    For me, the starting point that makes a lot of it way easier is to focus on layering. Anyone who lives in the Bay Area will instantly understand it: you don't build outfits for different weather, you build outfits for all weather that just depend on how many layers you've got on. For example, no cold-weather coats: instead you pack a feather-light and very foldable rain shell, layer it over thin sweaters for cold weather (multiple, if it's cold enough), and wear it directly over a light outfit for warm rainy weather.

    • all2 1 hour ago
      The heaviness of your layering will depend directly upon the environment you will be in. The above is adequate for most temperate climates.

      If you plan on being at higher elevations during local fall/winter/spring, your base layer will likely be light (and moisture wicking, please do this), and your first layer will likely need to start heavier than a temperate climate base layer.

      Having spent a considerable amount of time in the North Central US during those seasons, the layering strategy is appropriate, but the heavier outer layers are non-negotiable, especially as the average temperature drops below 15F.

      • alistairSH 1 hour ago
        That's true, but doesn't really negate the principle... the set of layers is just different. If you're heading to that high elevation where it's mostly cold, you probably don't need to bring shorts on the off chance it's 85F one afternoon - you just wear your lightest pants that day.

        The other things I've found is it's pretty darn easy to wash a few items in the sink while traveling. A 14 day trips doesn't require 14 pairs of socks - 4-5 is plenty, just wash them. Etc. Most people massively overpack. I'm always amazed at the number of people lugging around full size rollers at the train station.

        • PaulDavisThe1st 1 hour ago
          > you probably don't need to bring shorts on the off chance it's 85F one afternoon - you just wear your lightest pants that day.

          or even bring pants that can have the lower leg sections removed, so that even if it is 95F one day, you still have some lightweight shorts ...

    • jerlam 1 hour ago
      I tried layering when I traveled somewhere cold, where the high was just above freezing. I felt foolish whenever I went indoors and had to peel off three or four layers in order to feel comfortable.

      The next time I went, I brought a proper winter jacket. When I was indoors, I took off my jacket. It was simpler and more comfortable, both outdoors and indoors. You cannot replicate a winter jacket with a rain shell and a bunch of layers.

      The Bay Area has a lot of microclimates but none of them are really cold nor hot or humid.

    • PopAlongKid 1 hour ago
      In late 1970s, I spent two months hitching and riding trains around Europe, just an external frame backpack and a sleeping bag. A few years ago, I spent 2.5 weeks in U.K. and Ireland, with an 18-liter backpack and a waist bag (a.k.a. fanny pack ), which made getting around a breeze especially at airports and on trains. It even allowed me to carry a notebook computer. As mentioned in TFA, merino wool and no cotton garments helps. The rain was a minor inconvenience, but I did have lodging where I could get things rinsed and dried out in my room. I did buy an umbrella but should have splurged on better quality, even if I would end up abandoning it.

      Best packing advice I ever received: take half as many clothes, and twice as much money, as you think you'll need.

    • nradov 53 minutes ago
      I live in the Bay Area and I don't understand that. Layering is a stupid hassle. I'll put on one jacket of appropriate thickness when I go outside and take it off when I come inside. Simple.
    • ghaff 1 hour ago
      There are certainly circumstances where you need really warm clothes. And hiking (and requirements for dress clothing) complicate thingx as well. But if I'm visiting cities and towns in not surefrigid weather, I can generally handle carry-on with some washing out in sinks and so forth with the right low maintenance clothing.
  • patcon 1 hour ago
    Washing the days clothes as you shower is a game changer. Even Waring them into shower, soaping them while wearing, and rinsing out by hand.

    Depends on climate, but if they dry in 2 days, you barely need anything

    • nradov 1 hour ago
      You've got to be kidding. I'm not going to waste time on a trip washing laundry by hand. Just pack another bag, and if you're staying longer then pick a hotel with coin-op washer / dryer machines available for guest use.
  • fra 1 hour ago
    I have a simple list: money, medication, identification, underwear, bathing suit. Everything else you can figure out.
  • ausbah 1 hour ago
    interesting how much overlap onebagging has with ultralight backpacking