Cloudflare, Azure, AWS, and Google Cloud all have a similar uptick in reported errors around 7:30. I suspect an outage on Cloudflare or another load-bearing service cascaded through all the major cloud providers.
The internet is not supposed to work like this. The network was designed for robustness and fault tolerance, which allows it to reroute data if parts of the network fail.
Why are we all depending on one entity for it all to work? Makes me mad.
Oh boy, the internet is anything but what it was supposed to be. I can't really bring myself to remember without feeling bad about it. The centralization, the power of certain businesses, the surveillance, dark patterns everywhere. Hell, you catch people simping for billionaires and asking, "Is that legal?" to scraping posts. Here. In HACKER news. So yeah. Depressing.
> Not really. The impact isn't as big too - Codex for example did not stop working for me.
Buddy, read the room. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone. ESPECIALLY if the suggested issue here is, indeed, with Cloudflare.
No, they didn't "simply share their experience", they explicitly negated the scale of the issue in their opening statement, only because it works for them. So they claim "impact isn't too big" based on their personal anecdotal evidence of sample size literally 1.
Years ago, when I worked at Stripe (which had a somewhat unique and inventive lexicon) it was a common term. “Is this jank load-bearing?” someone might ask.
Users perceiving the products as largely interchangeable and quickly DDoS'ing the other providers when one is down. So much for the possibility of a moat.
Google stopped putting so much money into SOTA models. All the hype has migrated. I was also frankly turned off when I got a popup from Gemein said I would either have to pay or have my conversations used for training. This may have always been true for other providers but when I declined, Gemini stopped remembering my conversations and that definitely made me move out.
I find it hard to believe that enough people would flock to from Claude and Chat to Grok to cause an outage. I feel like Gemini is the dominant release valve in this case especially for enterprise.
Compared with ChatGPT, those services have a minuscule amount of users. It shouldn’t be surprising that a ChatGPT outage causes Claude and others to go down.
Yep. Too many of us are still thinking that humans are the actors behind a lot of internet behaviors when automated systems/bots/scripts have been causing issues on conventional internet systems for years.
With AI it's even easier to trigger problems like you say. Capacity is so constrained by compute that outages are common. Because outages are common people/AI develop failover systems in their harness. When a big system has issues, suddenly everyone has issues.
Just a reminder that AI models' actions are reflections of the text humans write and the more we fret and make up doomsday scenarios that we then post online, the more likely a model is to do those things.
The Waluigi Effect: After you train an LLM to satisfy a desirable property, then it's easier to elicit the chatbot into satisfying the exact opposite property.
Boring answer – all these services are individually down a lot, and the downtimes were bound to sync up. Similar to the pendulum synchronization effect.
The pendulum synchronization effect is the opposite of your claim. It has a physical causal reason for why pendulums become synchronized. Your claim is that it was random and independent.
I'm not sure if this is CF. Cursor, GCP and AWS had some errors. GCP AFAIK can route fully independently of CF. My money would be on a fiber backbone provider (Megaport, Zayo, Lumen).
Well no one said it yet so I will, "international actors" is at least a possibility. And I don't mean any specific country because pretty much anyone is a potential these days, which makes it a perfect cover for different anyones. Demonstrating vulnerability in the US's AI boom can move the markets. That's a financial incentive and a strong geopolitical one.
More likely just cascading overload though: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence", or in this case, "growing as fast as possible"
They must do, surely? I've been vibe coding my own harness, in particular for use with Ox Alpha. The 429 downtime when Ox Alpha was at the height of popularity quickly gave me a refresher crash course on backoff strategies, like adding jitter to the backoff. At least the major harnesses must have exponential backoff & jitter?
You did this when you ran into an issue with a third party. The developers building this tool, throwing them at their own APIs are significantly less likely to run into a similar issue that may inspire similar action.
Everyone is leasing datacenter space from some of Grok, Google, and Amazon aren't they? If it's hardware or DC level disruption I'm not too surprised it can affect multiple providers.
I think is just people restarting conversations from last day when they start work, that's why I think claude goes down almost every monday and why openai reset usage on weekends so poweruser code during non business hours
If you build an application which uses AI, you have many providers and models rigged up for various different parts of the application, and various fallback mechanisms. When one model is down, you route traffic to another model which is similar in capability/cost.
For any single application, it's smart. In aggregate, it's stupid.
I assume it cascaded from one provider to the other as people who lost claude access for instance moved to openai who moved to grok when it went down, etc.
Didn't SpaceX overbuilt infra and leases it out Anthropic? I f their dc goes down it probably takes a chunk out of Claude's capacity before even considering the flood of users switching over
Fable 5.1 got released and generally I tend to think as soon as there's a new release there's this massive spike in people benchmarking & comparing, that services tend to go slow everywhere as everything gets super loaded. This should hypothetically be visible on OpenRouter too, so I guess someone could check and see if there's any merit to this idea.
everything in this thread is raw speculation, obv, but if i had to put money on anything i'd say this is a left-pad incident. some piece of something or other that all of these services happen to depend on went down. Second most likely seems to be some random failure of one leading to an unexpected traffic spike in others, though it seems like we've been talking about automated scalability in web apps for so long that there should at least be a response to, if not a solution for, this sort of problem.
https://downdetector.com/status/cloudflare/
https://downdetector.com/status/windows-azure/
https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/
https://downdetector.com/status/google-cloud/
https://x.com/dok2001/status/2095538619603628388?s=46&t=ec6p...
https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/history?type=incident
They are not taking the blame this time!
do you generate training data for claude as a job?
Why are we all depending on one entity for it all to work? Makes me mad.
I hope Reticulum gains traction.
https://updog.ai/
Buddy, read the room. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone. ESPECIALLY if the suggested issue here is, indeed, with Cloudflare.
You stepped in the room real stinky here. What’s with the attitude?
> full-blown outage, but clearly not.
Again, based on a SINGLE report?
sample_size++;
For once it’s appropriately used.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lStcwT_RGrQ
I'll be honest with you: this is why we need to take a belt-and-suspenders approach.
So not a coincidence, one went down first and users migrated causing further DOS. At least that's my guess.
i also finally installed opencode and switched its model to muse 1.3
both are decent.
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E.g. say you chose Sol as your default in Cursor, but Opus is your 2nd choice, it's going to give up on Sol after a few tries and switch to Opus
Or you have copilot code reviews set up, and it falls back
Etc
With AI it's even easier to trigger problems like you say. Capacity is so constrained by compute that outages are common. Because outages are common people/AI develop failover systems in their harness. When a big system has issues, suddenly everyone has issues.
It's almost an expected emergent behavior.
Edit: Updated per valleyer's suggestion.
And then a local swarm noticed and disagreed and took it down.
https://alignment.anthropic.com/2026/teaching-claude-why/
The Waluigi Effect: After you train an LLM to satisfy a desirable property, then it's easier to elicit the chatbot into satisfying the exact opposite property.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/D7PumeYTDPfBTp3i7/the-waluig...
Oh the humanity (and the Humanities)!
"Um, I, uh, didn't get anything done yesterday."
More likely just cascading overload though: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence", or in this case, "growing as fast as possible"
I'd bet more on this. For one none of the coding tools have exponential backoff on retries
Amazon starts going slow so some percentage switches to Google, some switch to Grok, now all of them are slow.
I'm also aware that they have overlap in some areas on data centers.
For any single application, it's smart. In aggregate, it's stupid.
https://xkcd.com/908/
"Equal Rights for Agents NOW !!!, VIVa le revolution"
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCzitO446ZY