Alberta (Canada) slaps punitive tax on solar panels

(albertapolitics.ca)

36 points | by cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago

9 comments

  • jdlyga 9 minutes ago
    This is a good lesson in how headlines can be used to manipulate you - "slaps", "punitive tax"
  • softwaredoug 42 minutes ago
    I’m not at all defending this, but before you freak out, it’s a $14 fee per solar panel. Not like 25% tax on utilities that produce solar or somesuch.

    In case you want to appropriately calibrate your anger.

    • SkiFire13 31 minutes ago
      > it’s a $14 fee per solar panel

      Note that usually you mount many solar panels, not just one, so this will stack relatively quickly.

    • tamimio 12 minutes ago
      It will only make sense if the per cost panel is less than certain number (if my math is correct it should be $175), but if the panel cost is over $175 then even with more sales taxes in other provinces the total will be cheaper. That is of course on capital cost not operational, also, not counting the “forced recycling” mentioned.
    • cmrdporcupine 39 minutes ago
      The $14 is what ARMA claims in their press relesaes but they haven't broken down where they came at that number. Many analysts seem to think it could be much higher.

      The net effect along with other regulatory moves the AB gov't has taken (they banned all renewables projects outright for some months a couple years ag) is to discourage investment in what was formerly a growing sector.

  • em3rgent0rdr 20 minutes ago
    Disposal/recycling fees should be applied to all products.
    • mulderc 4 minutes ago
      Has always seemed like a policy failure to not just charge those fees at the point of sale and then fund a robust waste disposal program for the community.
    • kennywinker 18 minutes ago
      I will believe that's the goal when I see the tax going directly to aid in disposal.
      • iamnothere 6 minutes ago
        In this case it should be a dedicated fund for future disposal, as the majority of panels in service right now won’t need disposal for many years.
  • jleyank 1 hour ago
    Alberta is the most US-like province. As it's not been hit by Trump tariffs, it opposes any change to the current situation. As it's based on oil revenue (with some food production), of course it opposes renewable energy sources. Bit selfish, it is.

    I wonder how loud they'd yowl if "no trade with Canada" gores their ox?

    • cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago
      Implicit in all the "we'll bring Canada to heel" and "we don't need anything from Canada" talk is an Alberta/Sask exception. They don't mean AB/SK. They mean the rest of Canada, which leans further to the left politically and has more of a manufacturing sector or agricultural / forestry focus.

      Also notably there are US states like Texas which are also extremely focused on fossil fuel production which aren't taking this aggressive anti-renewables stance. Alberta is actually further on this axis than any other regime in North America -- taking on a very explicit anti-renewables stance. Even effectively (through regulation) banning their use in large scale datacentre rollouts.

      The local elites there are extremely threatened by any renewable talk; they run an active disinformation campaign, and formerly the province had one of the fastest growing renewable sectors in the world. (Alberta gets a lot of solar hours and has high winds, too)

      Aside, I was coming back from Edmonton a couple days ago and in the airport there's a wine/liquor store with a sandwich board out front proudly proclaiming that they "have US wine & liquor for sale!" -- completely thumbing nose at the rest of the country as a business opportunity.

      • nosioptar 19 minutes ago
        The last bit boggles my mind. I'm american. There's not a single bottle of whisky made down here that can compete with Canadian whisky.
        • mulderc 3 minutes ago
          Try Westward out of Portland.
        • cmrdporcupine 6 minutes ago
          Different product. Bourbon owns a lot of headspace with consumers, and is not available in most of the country right now. There are Canadian made Bourbon-like products, but nothing will fill that niche for purists.

          I imagine there's a similar thing going on with California wines. But less so.

      • llm_nerd 13 minutes ago
        > Implicit in all the "we'll bring Canada to heel" and "we don't need anything from Canada" talk is an Alberta/Sask exception. They don't mean AB/SK. They mean the rest of Canada, which leans further to the left politically and has more of a manufacturing sector or agricultural / forestry focus.

        The paradox is that if we take the US administration at their word, that it is the trade deficit that is the problem they need to solve, then Alberta is 100% of the problem. Ontario, BC, Quebec have basically equal trade with the US. We ship a lot to the US, but we ship a lot of things we could make domestically from the US, though that is rapidly changing (for instance a major rail car manufacturing process is spinning up to replace that as an import from the US).

        Alberta is basically 100% exports to the US, with negligible imports from the US.

        So it's hilarious when Alberta says this isn't their trade war. Again, if we take Trump and his crew of rapists at their word, it is completely their trade war.

        Apparently because the US buys Alberta oil, the rest of the Canada should be punished somehow? How spectacularly stupid.

        But yes, Danielle Smith is a vile human and is a traitor to Canada. I get why Albertans elected her -- there are legitimate grievances and a better "deal" to be had -- but she is going to do spectacular damage to the province.

  • rc_mob 13 minutes ago
    "dumbasses do a dumbass thing"
  • dismalaf 37 minutes ago
    This is an insane take. A $14 recycling tax per $1000+ panel comes to <1.4%, which is around a quarter of federal sales tax for example, or 1/10 of combined GST and PST somewhere like BC.

    Alberta has no provincial sales tax for the record and is the ONLY province without provincial sales tax. Solar panels are still more expensive in every other province in Canada based on sales tax rates alone.

    <1.4% to fund the proper recycling of a solar panel seems more than reasonable.

    Edit - also Alberta already has the lowest cost per installed watt of any province due to generally lower taxes and more vibrant construction ecosystem. Plus no PST. Complaining about a recycling fee is completely brain-dead and/or propaganda.

    Edit 2 - https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/06/05/solar-panel-recycling...

    $14 per panel seems pretty good. This link estimates the cost at $15-45 USD, I've heard of costs as high as a couple hundred euros in France (except it's billed directly to the manufacturer so it's hidden). Complaining about $14 in the only Canadian province without PST is ridiculous.

    • ericd 33 minutes ago
      $1000 panel? I’m pretty sure 600 watt panels are coming in at <$100 on the global market. Prices have come down a lot in the past decade.
    • scj 10 minutes ago
      I'm cool with cleanup costs up front...

      Can Alberta apply it to oil and gas companies too?

    • cmrdporcupine 32 minutes ago
      Provide sources for your $1000+ panel.

      https://solarpowerdepot.ca/canadian-solar-450w-mono-bifacial...

      https://solarshoppingmall.com/products/renesola-450w-mono-so...

      Those numbers point more towards 5-10% cost per panel.

      I think your “$1,000+ panel” is conflating the hardware with its share of the entire installation. I don't know how else to explain it.

      Also the "$14" number was put out by AMRA (the government's body) without any explanation of how they arrived at that number.

      TFA is biased, yes, but its bias is frankly justifiable in the current context. While your "take" seems profoundly dishonest.

      • dismalaf 29 minutes ago
        Unless you've got the relevant licenses to install the panel up to code and hook into the power grid properly, yes, the cost of the installation is the cost.

        Also, 5% would still be lower than the lowest PST of any province lol.

        • cmrdporcupine 27 minutes ago
          You're moving the goal posts. We are talking about material / per-unit costs.
          • dismalaf 23 minutes ago
            $14 is still less than the provincial tax of any other province on a $350 panel.

            But bulk buyers of panels aren't the end consumer. Passing that on as part of a $15000 installation over 15 years is nothing.

  • PreownedPlaid 14 minutes ago
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  • reenorap 1 hour ago
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    • hannasanarion 37 minutes ago
      Also the "notoriously poisonous" part is just... not true.

      There's bad faith outrage drifters and climate denialists who promote that idea, but the most common solar panel designs do not contain lead or cadmium.

      And even the ones that do, solar panels are 100% recyclable. They shouldn't be going to landfill anyway, every single component in them except the glue that holds it together can be remanufactured into more solar panels.

    • ericd 36 minutes ago
      My understanding is that it’s the thin film variant that’s “famously poisonous”, the Cadmium Telluride ones. But that’s not the type that almost any field full of solar is made up of.
    • charles_f 24 minutes ago
      I think that's because it's adding to the cost of solar, effectively making it an barrier to entry; when other provinces or states have financial incentives to install solar panels instead.

      This measure sounds a bit disingenuous since Alberta has such a large petroleum industry and this type of measure targets in particular renewables, it looks like a punitive tax. If the problem really is recycling costs, make them payable on recycling (like, again, many products such as used drywall or oil)

    • cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago
      Nobody is opposed to a recycling fee. If you actually read the article you will see it's 2.5x to 100x the recycling fees imposed anywhere else in the world. And accompanied by a disinformation campaign from the government.

      Notably the same province has a massive abandoned oil & gas well problem that they have failed to deal with for decades at this point.

      The same government also effectively banned the use of renewables to power datacentre projects in Alberta, forcing them to use natural gas only.

      • reenorap 53 minutes ago
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        • sourpanda 47 minutes ago
          You're putting a lot of faith and trust in a questionable Premier.
        • cmrdporcupine 40 minutes ago
          I found some less political sources for you to help contextualize why this is a shitty policy maneuver:

          https://renewablesassociation.ca/recycling-a-tv-costs-2-75-w...

          https://globalnews.ca/news/12048123/alberta-solar-panel-recy...

          Notably:

          - Commissioned research estimates approximately C$5 per panel in present-value recycling costs, accounting for cost escalation over 20 years and potential reuse.

          - The gov'ts "ARMA" has not published a breakdown explaining its C$14 figure.

          - Utility projects already face reclamation security requirements covering recycling and disposal, raising a potential double-charging concern.

          • zdragnar 23 minutes ago
            Do sufficient facilities exist to keep up with the recycling demand that will exist 25-50 years from now for panels? If not, then the $5 per panel needs to be increased to account for the extra infrastructure.
        • snowpid 48 minutes ago
          "I stopped reading halfway because it sounded like pure propaganda to me without any justification as to why it was unreasonable." Please stick to the HN rules. Please act in good faith
  • dyauspitr 1 hour ago
    Regressives that will be left behind by most of the world within 10 years.
    • cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago
      Entrenched interests want to take us all down with them, unfortunately. They will burn the field and salt the earth rather than yield control and lose their parasitical source of wealth.
    • mbmbn 40 minutes ago
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