Your TV can see through walls

(maurycyz.com)

59 points | by Curiositry 2 hours ago

11 comments

  • numlock86 24 minutes ago
    Wait for people to learn about that you can listen in virtually anywhere through fiber-optic cables, as sound waves are enough to redirect the light in the cable to a measurable degree by "bending" the cable itself. Special devices to filter these variances out and transform them back to audio signals are a thing. It's only per line though, as any repeating device will just output a new cleaned up signal again.

    Oh well, there have always been ways to snoop on someone like that. Back in the day it was CRTs emitting measurable waves through the neighborhood, with some papers even going as far as restoring the displayed image through a wall. Nowadays it's fiber and WiFi, and those seem to be much easier to work with even. Plus everyone carries a device that is tracked by their mobile provider's cell network. shrug

  • 1e1a 16 minutes ago
    See these for a very low cost (<$10) method for observing WiFi and some LTE spectra:

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49922674

    https://espargos.net/espsdr/

  • swerner 34 minutes ago
    As anyone observed who had a TV with just basic analog terrestrial antennas, before cable and satellite dishes - it does make a difference to the signal, when and where you stand and countless pieces of physical comedy in TV shows incorporated that.
  • armcat 27 minutes ago
    I recall there being an MIT study where they were literally using rf signals to see through walls like an X-ray.

    I even had a startup that used path loss and scattering from rf photons to accurately estimate traffic flow using 4G [1].

    [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.09143

  • darkwater 3 minutes ago
    Now, about the wifi part, why isn't there an Home Assistant extension that detects already room presence magically exploiting all of this??
  • fzeindl 43 minutes ago
    Amazing book about similar topics: “Silence on the wire” by Michal Zalewski

    https://www.amazon.de/Silence-Wire-Passive-Reconnaissance-In...

  • ThePumpkinGod 1 hour ago
    So, a bad actor can now know when I'm at my house or not, I'm sure that's fine and won't be problematic
    • rightnutwingjob 1 hour ago
      Even having three security cameras around the perimeter of your house can allow quite precise location and activity detection inside the house via their audio steams.

      Those mics can be quite sensitive.

      • ThePumpkinGod 40 minutes ago
        I don't have security cameras in my house but that's actually interesting to see how things most people have in their house can (and does?) used to spy on them.
    • cowlevel 48 minutes ago
      They already knew this from your cell phone not being in airplane mode.
      • ThePumpkinGod 38 minutes ago
        If I ever try to hide (which is probably impossible at this time and age), I will probably just break my phone not like I can use it anyways every single act in it sends data to too many places to count.
      • lencastre 39 minutes ago
        there is always the risk of the isolated Faraday caged house
  • thopterek 1 hour ago
    Thank you for more paranoia
  • gbxyz 1 hour ago
  • walrus01 34 minutes ago
    see also, presence detection of humans via wifi signals: https://arxiv.org/html/2308.06773v2
  • jasperrhodes 27 minutes ago
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