I implemented x402 across a very heavily crawled site and have yet to see any transactions go through. Possibly it's not working, but I haven't seen any yet. Reading the x402 reddit you see other similar comments. People joking that the only people putting money into x402 are the people testing to see if x402 works.
I do want it to work, so just curious does anyone have any positive anecdotes? Can this naturally get picked up by crawlers?
Arguably it is too late, industrial scale piracy of user input demands a hapless data-entry caste. Even with the new content origin obfuscation attempts, watermarking, and 3rd world human content moderators.
No one is willingly going to tack on a variable cost to their business revenue model. At best, the crawlers/users will simply skip your hosts, or operate in places where gleaning data is still perfectly legal. =3
$5 for 1000 searches. A lot of basic ChatGPT sessions can easily do 30 web searches , which would already cost $0.15 .
This brings up an interesting concern: providing search obviously isn't free. It has been financed through ads thus far. What happens when the majority of searches are done by agents?
Kagi's API is $12 for 1000 searches. But from "human using a search engine" experience, their results are way better than Brave.
Exa is $4 for 1000 searches.
If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
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Are we going to see all search engines adopting this model? Will this be the future of search engine revenue? May end up more pro-consumer than ads and tracking.
This is not true. The psychology of positive and negative events suggests that to optimize your happiness, you should "lump" negative things and "split" positive things.
People do this intuitively with payments (negative). They'll buy a timeshare or a boat (expensive, "lump" cost) when it would be much cheaper on net to stay at resorts or rent a boat and pay by usage.
They'll pay for subscriptions (automatic payments) rather than pay per experience. Many people will pay $20/mo for Netflix, watch it twice a month, but would never rent movies for $3 on Amazon.
They'll pay a big premium for "unlimited" data plans when this actually makes little sense for anyone vs. paying by usage.
Yet everybody relying on infrastructure, like electricity, water, gas, etc, is familiar with a meter, paying upfront based on an estimation of consumption, then getting money back.
One could easily imagine that, or that your AI provider, being ChatGPT, Anthropic or Cursor or even neo clouds where you run your own compute on, provide a weekly or monthly aggregated payment not just for computes but for paid traffic. They have the balance sheet (sigh) to front it.
You'd pay $20 for compute and $8.7896813 for traffic or you'd have a "budget" of $10 of traffic included in your $30 bundle.
I think customers would accept that if explain that otherwise their queries wouldn't be as nice and also that the providers of content would get a share.
anyone using an llm is hard stuck in token micropayments regardless, i doubt one more will make a significant difference to them if it is integrated into pricing well enough
Why though? If you own a company, you delegate purchasing to human employees, too. And sometimes they buy crap and make poor decisions. It comes with the risk, and you mitigate by budgeting. You will have to asses your employees for competence, same as you do with agents. You don't give a new and unknown employee a big budget, while your trusted ones slowly get more and more control.
Same, it is built on the USDC stable coin and if crypto has taught me anything it is that it is that people do not trust it (ironically). Companies like Circle do absolutely nothing to protect their users while banks etc have mechanisms by which a user has a path to recourse.
Granted this is for micropayments and each search will most likely cost pennies but it still means loading up some real money into a digital wallet which an agent will blindly (and most likely very inefficiently) spend at its own discretion.
This may be the least stupid use of the block chain I've ever heard of.
Mind you Visa could have implemented this when everyone first asked back in 1999, but hey here we are. Rather than micro payments instead we let ads do their best to ruin western civilization.
You need micropayments. Banks and creditcards don't do those (and the WebPayments W3C API proposal failed due to that) because there is not much money to make in micropayments. It is not feasible to answer customer service calls for $0.0005 charges, or issue bank statements and follow regulations for transfers in the sub-cent area. That is why they charge minimum fees for each transaction, i.e. $0.30 per transaction.
If need to use an API, needs to do: user creation, top-up some money, create a token, store the token somewhere, pass it to the agent... and later renew the token...
With a blockchain, no need for all of that. And you can only pay for few cents, no need to top-up a full 5$ min for each services. If you have dozens of services that you need to reach, the benefits start to be interesting.
nobody wants paid impressions to hit agents, and agents certainly aren’t going to convert, so this model makes perfect sense. once humans realize they too can have the premium experience the agents are getting it will be the end of adtech!
Monero has slow confirmation times. It requires a 0-conf to be able to do micropayments. Most wallets also require a full 10 confirmations before you can use your balance.
The part I keep coming back to isn't the payment rail, it's what happens before the payment. At $0.005 a search the unit price looks trivial, but the agents I've run don't search once — they re-search the same question with slightly different phrasing when the first results don't quite fit, and each retry is a fresh paid call. Removing the API key also removes the one place I used to see that happening, the monthly bill.
So the missing piece for me isn't 402 itself, it's a budget envelope around it: a per-task cap, client-side dedup/caching of near-identical queries, and a receipt ledger I can audit after the run. Without that, making payment frictionless mostly makes runaway spend frictionless too. Does Brave's proxy do any dedup or idempotency for repeated identical queries, or is that entirely left to the harness?
I do want it to work, so just curious does anyone have any positive anecdotes? Can this naturally get picked up by crawlers?
No one is willingly going to tack on a variable cost to their business revenue model. At best, the crawlers/users will simply skip your hosts, or operate in places where gleaning data is still perfectly legal. =3
$5 for 1000 searches. A lot of basic ChatGPT sessions can easily do 30 web searches , which would already cost $0.15 .
This brings up an interesting concern: providing search obviously isn't free. It has been financed through ads thus far. What happens when the majority of searches are done by agents?
Exa is $4 for 1000 searches.
If you want Google results, SerpApi gives 5000 searches for $75. They are not pay-as-you-go, and more searches give you better pricing. Probably if you're setting this up for your whole company you can get a pretty good deal.
Would love to hear their thoughts and visions of what the web could be at the time.
The idea of paying for usage is actually very appealing.
People do this intuitively with payments (negative). They'll buy a timeshare or a boat (expensive, "lump" cost) when it would be much cheaper on net to stay at resorts or rent a boat and pay by usage.
They'll pay for subscriptions (automatic payments) rather than pay per experience. Many people will pay $20/mo for Netflix, watch it twice a month, but would never rent movies for $3 on Amazon.
They'll pay a big premium for "unlimited" data plans when this actually makes little sense for anyone vs. paying by usage.
One could easily imagine that, or that your AI provider, being ChatGPT, Anthropic or Cursor or even neo clouds where you run your own compute on, provide a weekly or monthly aggregated payment not just for computes but for paid traffic. They have the balance sheet (sigh) to front it.
You'd pay $20 for compute and $8.7896813 for traffic or you'd have a "budget" of $10 of traffic included in your $30 bundle.
I think customers would accept that if explain that otherwise their queries wouldn't be as nice and also that the providers of content would get a share.
Granted this is for micropayments and each search will most likely cost pennies but it still means loading up some real money into a digital wallet which an agent will blindly (and most likely very inefficiently) spend at its own discretion.
Time will tell, I guess.
Mind you Visa could have implemented this when everyone first asked back in 1999, but hey here we are. Rather than micro payments instead we let ads do their best to ruin western civilization.
With a blockchain, no need for all of that. And you can only pay for few cents, no need to top-up a full 5$ min for each services. If you have dozens of services that you need to reach, the benefits start to be interesting.
I can't vouch for the quality of the project.
Monero has slow confirmation times. It requires a 0-conf to be able to do micropayments. Most wallets also require a full 10 confirmations before you can use your balance.
So the missing piece for me isn't 402 itself, it's a budget envelope around it: a per-task cap, client-side dedup/caching of near-identical queries, and a receipt ledger I can audit after the run. Without that, making payment frictionless mostly makes runaway spend frictionless too. Does Brave's proxy do any dedup or idempotency for repeated identical queries, or is that entirely left to the harness?
Why are all of these comment bots trained to keep coming back to something?[1][2]
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50413821
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50347052